The Dyatlov Pass

Rumble: Did you hear that though? Yeah.

Weird noises. Um, okay. So I guess we're just going to have to get started. Uh, I think everything's working. So I guess we'll, we'll find out. Is it recording? Yes. Yeah. The red light's on. Okay. Oh, I had to look. I had to, um, I don't know. So I got here and I'm sitting with rumble and we're trying to get ready for this.

And I can't get my iPad to work. Worked just fine last night. Worked just fine this morning. I get here, I can't get it to work. So, um, I am going to have to do this off of my phone. So it works. It's all good. Uh, yeah, it works for me. Thankfully I, um, look at my phone screen. A million times a day, so, uh, this should not be difficult for me to pick up the [00:01:00] phone.

Uh, but it was unintended, so I apologize if it seems a little scattered, I just wasn't prepared to read off my phone. But, that being said, I think that's a really good, uh, little... Segway into the location that we are recording at. Mm hmm. Yes. Some weird shit that happens here. It does. It really truly does.

And it's, it's on a pretty steady basis that something is always making a noise and it is an old building and there is a second floor, um, from where we are sitting and it. It just makes a lot of noises and TVs come on by themselves and, um, uh, things in the gym actually move around by themselves. And so I wouldn't be surprised if you hear noises, weird things that are not coming from us.

So this should be pretty fun. I, I'm pretty excited to record here. Um, we've just started and already started having some stuff. So if stuff happens during this, [00:02:00] um, I think it would be kind of fun just to point it out. And also, no, we are the only, we're the only ones here, right? Yeah. We are the only ones in the building.

So while there is an upstairs, there are not currently no people up there. Human peoples, alive people, alive people. Of it. Okay. Yes. So let's get started. I'm going to do this intro and then, um, just so it gives you an idea. Oh, cause rumble doesn't know what we're talking about. So I don't have any idea what's happening.

Yes, I'm going to give you this little bit of an intro, um, and then we'll go from there. I love it. I'm so excited. I'm so excited. So everyone loves a mystery. Humans are inherently curious beings and the unknown triggers the innate desire to seek answers and to solve those tricky puzzles. But there are some stories out there that have no answers.

There's no trail of breadcrumbs leading to the truth. No overlooked piece of evidence that breaks the case wide open. Um, they are like that jigsaw puzzle, [00:03:00] you know, the one with the missing piece that just drives you nuts and you can't find it. It's gone. Brand new puzzle. It's just gone. Um, those are the stories that embed themselves deep into your imagination and become that constant, persistent itch to find the answer.

And you just can't scratch it. For me, this is. One of those stories. Oh my gosh. Yes. Yes. Yes. In February 1959, nine very experienced hikers set out on a planned expedition through the Ural Mountains in Russia. I already have goosebumps. During one of the coldest and most brutal months of the year. Their goal was to complete this challenge and after they were completing the expedition, they would obtain their certification as master hikers.

So these were... Serious people. Serious hikers. Uh huh. When they failed to return from their hike, their friends and family, uh, demanded a search party be sent out to locate them. [00:04:00] Oh wait, all of them are gone? All nine of those hikers would be found dead under some of the most baffling conditions that, to this day, almost 65 years later, defies explanation.

Oh my gosh. No. At the conclusion, bleh, at the conclusion of the investigation, the Russian government gave the official cause of death as unknown compelling force. It closed the Dyatlov Pass incident forever. Oh my gosh. And whether you are a believer, whether you are a believer in the paranormal or a skeptic, uh, I think at the end of today's episode, we can all agree that what happened to these hikers was absolutely horrifying.

Oh my gosh. Nine people.

Hulk. All right. Let's go. Well, let's get started. We'll introduce ourselves. So welcome spooky friends. I'm Megan. This is [00:05:00] Rumble. I'm Rumble. And you. Are here with us in the haunted grove today. Uh, the haunted grove is a weekly podcast where we discuss anything and everything spooky and paranormal. Uh, if you're new here, welcome.

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Hard. So, um, you know, we put a lot of effort into these, so just thank you guys very much. Um. Well, you do have to say, the content is. There's a reason people are here. Everyone loves a mystery. And people love spooky stuff. People love being scared. And I [00:06:00] was reading something one time because I was like, why do people like being scared?

Myself included. And just psychologically, people enjoy it because you're allowed to have that feeling of being scared, but like in a safe, controlled environment. I just, I love that. Yes. Love it. And even if you're not subscribed or following or interacting with the episodes and you're just watching, we see you.

Thank you so much. We appreciate that as well. So thank you so much. If you are returning, if you're one of our returning spooky friends, you are probably wondering, Megan, what the hell is going on here? Started out with a solo episode, uh, and I had my daughter guest host last week on an episode and now we are on to a full on co host.

So I wanted to thank my daughter, Mary, for the episode last week. She kind of helped. Uh, figure this out. I've always wanted to do a co host, host episode. Um, but I just had never found somebody that, uh, kind of had that rapport with, you know, that like I wanted to. [00:07:00] Until I met Rumble. I'm here. Um, so Rumble has been around since the beginning, actually, of the, of the Haunted Grove, and has always been, uh, somebody that I like bounce ideas off of, or tell stories, or just kind of all content related stuff.

Uh, and we always have a great time. Talking about it. It's always a ton of fun. Yep. So I finally got up the courage to ask her if she would co host She said yes. I'm here So this should be a ton of fun And we get to do it in a haunted location. Yes, even better So we are gonna do these episodes my thought process is I want to do these episodes To be very similar, uh, to how we have conversations because that is what, that is what led me to go.

I need, I need Rumble to be my host for this because this is amazing. And you guys are going to love her. She's amazing. So, um, what I'm going to do, I'm going to be telling Rumble some spooky and paranormal things that hopefully she's never heard [00:08:00] of before. Uh, and then she is going to give her, uh, honest opinions and reactions.

Authentic reactions. And how she feels about this. So this should be fun. Yes. Uh, so let us start. We're going to talk about what wandered into the haunted grove this week. And that is the Dyatlov Pass incident. Oh my gosh. This is crazy. It's already crazy. I don't even know anything about it. And it's like, what?

This is, this is a story. Now I've, I've known of this story. I've heard, read, watched. A hundred things on the Dyatlov Pass and every time I start to think, okay, well, maybe, maybe that's, maybe that's what happened, but then you're like, well, no, but this doesn't make sense. And this doesn't make sense. So like I said, this is a roller coaster.

Where the hell have I been? Well, actually, you probably don't know about this. This is, and I'll mention it a little bit later in this too. This is something that was covered up by the Russian government for a very long time. Wow. [00:09:00] And it wasn't until they had a very, um. Similar thing, you know, we had the freedom of information act and the government, uh, here in the U S had to release a bunch of information.

Everybody, they had a very similar thing happen, um, over in the Soviet union. And, um, so that's, that's how we know about it. Wow. Otherwise they were done. They were done with it. We're not gonna talk about this no more. So I gotta get a drink before I start. That's crazy. It's so crazy. Okay. So let's start with, um, we're gonna talk about the students.

I said there were nine of them. They were all students from the Ural Polytechnic Institute or UPI. Uh, they were all very experienced in not just hiking, but, uh, backpacking expeditions and really just anything outdoorsy. Like these were the outdoorsy people, right? If you were going to go camping, hiking, these are the ones.

So even so that this particular trip was supposed to be extremely difficult. Uh, the group was going for their grade three or master hiker [00:10:00] certification, which at the time was the highest level hiking certification you could get. Okay, so it was a big deal, the certification required, does it give, do we know what like elevation and stuff that they were at in, okay, I love it, elevation kills me, I think, yeah, like, so it is, it messes so hard with your mind and we're flatlanders here, right?

Like we don't have. So yeah, well, let me get, I'll get into the little bit of the story, but so just, just to qualify, uh, just to qualify the certification required that the trip be at least 186 miles or 300 kilometers round trip, uh, and a third of those miles needed to be over extremely challenging terrain.

The trip duration needed to be a minimum of 16 days and half of those nights needed to be spent in a tent. Oh my gosh. And eight of the days. Had to be through uninhabited areas. [00:11:00] So this is not a well marked trail. This is nothing up a mountain. Not going to MB Johnson Park over here in Moorhead. Um, yes, their goal was to, was to go to the top.

Um, And come back down. That was the goal. And it was, and it was a, it was a trip that nobody does. It's very difficult. Um, okay. So that criteria had to be met to even qualify for the certification. And if they completed the expedition, they would be, they would be rewarded this grade three certification, which would not only distinguish them as masters, but it would also allow them to teach other people to be hikers.

Yeah. And they were part of a hiking club at UPI. So this was a big deal to them. This is what they wanted to do. Um, well, this is what they wanted to do for fun. I mean, they were, they were math, they were going to have real jobs like the rest of us, but like, you know, for fun, this is their passion, their passion.

So the group's leader was 23 year old [00:12:00] Igor Dyatlov and he was an engineering student at UPI. He was in charge of the whole thing, organizing, prepping, and leading the group through this planned expedition. There was a lot of pressure. Twenty three. Twenty three. Wow. Um, and remember, this is 1959. Oh my gosh.

Okay? Uh, his friends, family, and his fellow group members, uh, all said that he was the man for the job. Uh huh. He knew what he was doing. He was very disciplined and very methodical in his preparations and his actions. Yeah. So in this situation, this is who you want. He had it together. Okay. So, um, the rest of the group members were 22 year old Xena Kolomogrova.

She was a radio engineering student at UPI. 20 year old Ludmila Dubinina. She was a construction student. Three Yuri's. Yuri Yurdin, who's 21, Yuri Doroshenko, who is also 21 and was a radio engineering student, and then Yuri Kravonishenko, who was 23 [00:13:00] and was construction and hydraulics. So not only are, I'm not gonna go through the rest, but you can get an idea, not only are these, uh, very skilled, they're very intelligent.

Yeah, I was gonna say, they're smart. Um, so after the Yuris, there is, uh, Alexander, uh, Kolevatov, who's 24 and was nuclear physics student. Oh my gosh. Uh, Rustics Loboden was 23. He had already graduated, but was mechanical engineering. Uh huh. Um, this next one, and I apologize, I know, I know I am not saying this name right, but I, I don't know how to say it.

Nicolay, um, Thibault Brenoulles. I do not believe this is Russian. I think this is a French name. Okay. Um, and I actually believe, That it is a French, it's not a Russian name, but I don't know how to say it. You were doing great on the Russian name. I was impressed. It was really good. Um, well, and I want to be respectful.

If I'm mentioning people's names, I want to be respectful. So that's why I will a hundred percent admit right now. I know I am not saying Nicole's name right. Um, but anyway, [00:14:00] he's 23 and he graduated with a civil construction degree. Uh, there was Alexander, um, Zoleritov, Sasha, they called him Sasha. Okay. And now he was not a student.

He was 38 years old. He was a hiking instructor and he was studying to become a military engineer and he was also a veteran of World War II. Right. So he joined them at the beginning of the trip. These are capable people to be doing what. And I think it's important to mention, you know, just how intelligent these people are as we progress through this, that these were not people who were not going to make.

Very calculated decisions, right? You know, they were going to take everything into consideration So this was not just some group of people. They're like, you know, what would be fun today? Yeah, no

Hiking I went hiking in a haunted park yesterday. I am that person that should not be hiking in these places I was like, you know, what would be super [00:15:00] fun? I heard these crazy stories from this park two hours away in South Dakota. Let's go, let's go have fun. So, but these, these people were not.

Um, and also you'll notice that that's actually 10 people. You probably didn't notice, but that was actually 10 hikers. So originally once Sasha joined that made 10, but Yuri Yurdin actually had to go back several days into the trip because he had really bad rheumatism and his back was hurting so bad.

And he was like, I can't do this. You guys, I'm going to be slowing you down. I'm going to get stuck somewhere. I can't do this. So Yuri Yurdin is the only surviving member of this. I wonder if he ever had survivor's guilt. Oh, I would about imagine. Um, okay. So those are the, those are the hikers. Cool. The hike itself.

So they started their hike at the end of January. And the first few days they had pretty good luck. Uh, it did [00:16:00] get progressively harder, but that was the point. Um, the group was in good spirits. They were having fun, joking, laughing, singing along the way. Um, and even in the really more difficult areas where they had to ski through this deep snow, they were having a great time.

Uh, on February 1st, the group, for some reason, and nobody knows why, but their best guess is weather related. They decide to set up their camp on the slope of Halat Mountain. So the slope coming down the mountain, they set up their tent there. The reason people kind of question that is because it was a very strange area to decide to set up a tent tent, especially if they had went a little bit further down, they would've been in a, in a covered forest.

Oh. But they, the, the thought process was, is they were trying to summit. This peak and the weather just got too bad. So they said, you know what? We can't go any further. We're just going to stop or we're going to get ourselves in trouble. Um, but they set up their camp on the slope of [00:17:00] Hulacha Mountain, which the native Mansi tribes call Dead Mountain.

Uh, sorry.

Oh, that should just tell ya. No, it's kind of funny because you can't really, you don't really know. There's not a solid reason why the Mansi tribes call it Dead Mountain. Um, but we can all about imagine there's no vegetation there. Nothing grows there. Um, literally dead, right. And it's, I've, I've read before too, that they are just, um, it's, it's a superstitious place.

Like they have a lot of superstitions around it. There's a lot of weird noises, a lot of weird occurrences, that type of stuff. Um, so, you know, take that into consideration. But anyway, we know all of this, right? Yes. Megan, how do you know they were laughing and joking and having a good time? We know this because they documented the whole thing.

They had a diary. Wow. Daily diary that they kept. And they also had cameras. [00:18:00] Oh. So they took pictures. Oh. Oh. So we know. Oh. Exactly what happened up until February 1st, after they pitched their tent. So they were supposed to be gone. They were supposed to be gone for a while. And when they didn't show back up at the village that they had departed from about 10 days later, uh, no one was really too worked up about it.

Uh, Yuri, Yuri Yurden, the one that stayed behind, he didn't really say anything either because his, he, well, he would never have thought in a million years, they'd be in trouble because again, these were, these were, uh, amazing hikers, but also this was supposed to be a difficult trip. So the chances of them being delayed, uh, there was bad weather a couple of days.

So there, and there was no cell phones or radios or GPS, that type of stuff. So they were just, yeah, they're going to be delayed a little bit. We're not too worked up about it. Uh, it wasn't until two weeks had passed that Igor Dyatlov's sister was like, yo, [00:19:00] something's wrong. Oh my gosh. Like Igor would not have been this far behind unless something was wrong.

Something must've happened to somebody. Because otherwise he would have alerted somebody. He would have done something. He would never have gone this long without at a checkpoint or a village or something. So she calls up UPI and says, you need to, you need to get out there and check on them. And so the search, they did assemble a search party and it was kind of haphazardly put together.

Again, nobody was super concerned. They're like, Oh God, we're going to waste our resources going and finding these totally capable people. And telling them, people are upset, you should come back now, right? So they assembled a search party and, um, They knew where they had taken off from and they knew where the checkpoint was.

So they got to the checkpoint and they could clearly see that the group had not gotten there. So they knew, at least they knew then, okay, we have an area now. We know where to look. It's a huge area. Yeah. But [00:20:00] I guess it somewhat narrows it down. Um. So then the search party was a mix actually of, uh, search and rescue.

Military personnel, uh, police investigators, and then actually other students from the hiking club at UPI. Um, so they kind of just felt like they grabbed whoever nobody really liked, but whatever, anyway, either way, they, they formed a search party and they went to look on, um, February 26th. They found the campsite that the group had made on the slope of Dead Mountain on February 1st.

The tent was collapsed, and there was nothing on the ground outside except a lantern and nine sets of footprints leading away from the tent.

Inside the tent, all neatly arranged and in its place, was the group's gear. Ski poles, cooking utensils, backpacks, their winter clothes, like boots, [00:21:00] hats, socks, coats, and then other things like their cameras, their diaries, and food. Right. Oh my gosh. When they, when they rolled on up to the leak, they were like, wow, this is weird.

But it to them, it literally looked like they just got up and walked away and they'd be back. Oh my gosh. Oh, When they did some more examination, they found cuts on the side of the tent that where they were confident were made with a large knife or blade. So their immediate thought was, oh my god, these guys were, were ambushed.

By somebody, like somebody ambushed them, cut into the tent and abducted them. Right? Nine of them though. Uh, well, it was later determined that the cuts, the cuts were actually made from inside the tent, inside out. And the cuts were very inconsistent. So some of them were long. Some of them were short, some of the cuts didn't even pierce the fabric.

So that was an indication to the investigators that whomever, [00:22:00] what, sorry, I forget that the, that wasn't paranormal. That was the air freshener. Um, I'm freaking myself out already. So, but that was an indication to the investigators that whoever was inside this tent wanted out. ASAP. Oh my god. Out enough that they cut their way out of the tent and did not put on any of their winter gear in the middle of the night in February.

How does stuff Okay. So like in my head, I have like Harry Potter, when you go in, when he goes into the tent at the, at the Quidditch match, like, it's like this big, huge, perfect, like a mansion for some reason that's popping into my head. But if things were in order on the inside of the tent,

okay. It's part of the, yep. Oh my gosh. This is amazing. I feel you. I feel you. Okay. [00:23:00] So about a mile down the slope. There was a group of cedar trees. They found evidence of a crude fire that had been made by cutting off like the lowest hanging branches, uh, and then using them to make this small fire, presumably to keep warm.

I bet we can about imagine it was to keep warm. Um, as they searched the area, they did find the bodies of five of the hikers. Okay. Okay. Fifty meters away from where they were, they found the bodies of the other four hikers. They were in like this, they were in and around this like stream of water. Okay.

Okay. Um, the bodies were not all found at the same time, and I'm not going over every, this took months, this investigation took months, just because of how remote this area was, how deep the snow was, how just sparse everything, and they didn't know, and they, they had a hard time communicating with each other, so, Oh, yeah, it's, um, 59, you said?

1959? Yep, 1959. Yeah, well, you don't, and they were [00:24:00] unprepared for bodies, and pigeons, right? Like I said, they went out there fully expecting that this was, Going to be a, uh, like a rescue. Like they were going to find these people and help them back. They did not go out there thinking, Oh God, like everybody's right.

Oh my gosh. Um, so it gets, it gets worse. So just know that this, this was months in between. This wasn't something that happened right away. This took a long time. Uh, all of them, all of the bodies, they were dressed in varying layers of clothing. Some had just t shirt and underwear. Oh my gosh, two bodies were wearing swim trunks.

Some had no socks or shoes, and some just had one sock on. And actually, Xena's body had two wool socks on, but they were on the same foot. What? One of the bodies also had two wristwatches on. Oh, I don't like this. Some of their clothes had been severely damaged, and like, like missing a whole, a whole ass pant leg.

Taking off. [00:25:00] Uh, some of the clothes were burnt, and some of the clothes had been cut off with a blade, but they never found a knife. They knew it was a blade, but they never found the knife. These poor people. Holy cow. All of the bodies had varying degrees of damage, just due to the absolute, like, frigid conditions, right?

So you can about imagine, hypothermia, Uh, and then frostbite and just, it does terrible things to your body. Yeah, it sure does. So, uh, like discoloration of the skin. Um, and you can about imagine that there were probably, it was very cold. So there probably wasn't a ton of scavengers, but I'm sure there was scavengers, right?

So they. You can, some of the other damage, minor damage to the body. You can talk up to scavengers, um, birds. Yeah. Like little gouges and tears in their skin and stuff like that. Yep. Um, but some of the injuries that these people received are absolutely horrifying. And downright bizarre, I am not, please know, I am not going to go into a ton of [00:26:00] detail.

Okay. Uh, so just, but I do want to give a disclaimer. I do need to talk about some of them just to give you guys an idea of how horrific this was. So discretion is advised. Yep. I'm not going to go through all of it, but just know the next couple of bits are going to be a little gruesome. Okay. I will say again, I have not heard any of the story.

This is genuine disbelief of what So most of the hikers had injuries that have been compared to what one would expect to see from a high speed car Oh, and all of the injuries were internal. Oh There is a note There is a note that Yuri Doroshenko's chest was crushed like something or someone very heavy Sat on his chest for an extended amount of time But that person or object was not there at time of discovery.[00:27:00]

Yuri, uh, Krivonishenko had skin in his teat that matched a bite on his knuckle. So he stuck his knuckle it. Yep. So he stuck his knuckle in his teat and bit off a bit of the skin. And so it's been suggested that this is consistent with either trying to keep himself awake, right? Cause it's cold and he doesn't want to fall asleep.

He doesn't want us to come to hype. He knows what's gonna happen. He knows what's gonna happen if he falls asleep. Yep. Yep. But it was also noted that this is comparison to what somebody might do when they're trying to stifle a cry or to stop making a noise. Yeah. That's right. Like you're Reaction is to just be like, yes.

Oh my God. Rustic Slobodin's skull was crushed on both sides, but there was no damage to the front or the back of his skull. And the fractures were consistent with a blunt object. Goosebumps. Yes. So just, I mean, I know people probably know this. But it's, it's very [00:28:00] hard, just the way that human beings fall down, it is very difficult to damage the sides of your skull without damaging the front and the back of your skull.

It's extremely difficult. It, I mean, I'm sure it can be, I'm sure it happens. It happened here somehow. But it is, it is highly unlikely that you're going to fall and not, and just damage the sides. Especially with something that looks like a blunt object. Right? If you're going to fall down and hit rocks and stuff like that, it's going to be a little bit more damage there.

Um. When they found, I got to take a break. Hold on. This is so crazy. Keeping you in suspense. I, yeah, this one is crazy. When they found Ludmila's body, her tongue was missing. The examiner. Now I want to say there's a lot of different, if you were to read on this story, there's a lot of different things, but the examiner did not give any detail other than, so they didn't say if it was cut out, they didn't say if it was torn out, they didn't say whatever, all he said [00:29:00] was that her tongue was missing.

Along with the muscles that attach the tongue to the bottom of the mouth.

Like I said, there's not a ton. It, he did state that there was blood pooled in her mouth, which would indicate she was alive when it happened. Uh huh. Her heart was so pumpy. And she had extensive damage to her chest. So broken ribs, crushed bones, and actually pierced an artery, which is what she died from.

Holy... you know what. Yep. So again, I'm not gonna describe all the injuries, but it was literally this and this was literally just... a portion of the injuries. I will link the website, uh, down in the, uh, description that, that, uh, is really following and has already followed this and put all of this stuff together.

Uh huh. Um, so if you, if you want to, if you want to, you can read more. I am going [00:30:00] to. Um, but just know. That this was literally a fraction of what had happened to these people. So all nine of them had weird, extensive mass. All, all nine of them had, had very weird, uh, injuries. The positions they were found in the, it was like the first group that they found.

Um, the investigators noted that it looked like they had been placed there by, and, and not, and, and by somebody that cared about them. Okay. So, and it was, they died, they died from hypothermia, but of course they also had, uh, a bunch of injuries that they just couldn't explain. Like one of them had injuries to his hands.

It looked like he was in a tree for like holding on for like, oh my gosh, but you know, but that's just what it looks like. They can't prove any of that. Okay, but that's what it is. So all but all of them had this just had these weird things and the whole scene was [00:31:00] crazy Where and again, I'm not going to go into much But like if you are interested like how Ludmilla's body was positioned when they found her was just crazy I just I can't um Okay, it's hard to wrap your mind around that all of these people Died like they're Yeah, one of them wasn't, couldn't fight off whatever, or to get together two of them to, you know, like, okay.

And now we're totally speculating here. Yeah. Like, we'll just say that there was some, something or someone outside their tent that, that scared them enough to, to cut out of their tent and run. Even if one of them was able to hide, there would have been nowhere to go. Right. There was no way they would have stayed warm.

I can like, Put myself there to be like, what? Like, yeah, they literally, the, um, how cold it was. And there was like a windshield. I think I wrote it down in here exactly what it was, but like, it [00:32:00] was something to the effect of like 30 below Fahrenheit. We're Americans. Sorry. I don't know what that is in Celsius.

I should, but, uh, so like 30 below, uh, Fahrenheit. And then the winds were so bad that, I mean, it's gotta be 150 below. So we're in North Dakota, right? North Dakota, when they give you the weather, there's the weather. And then there's the feels like the temperature, the actual weather. This is what it feels like.

So their wind chill would have been like 40 below. Yep. So even if they were to escape and hide, they would, and you're on a, you are up in a, it's, it's just, it's cold. It's hours, absolute hours. Yep. Yeah. Okay. Um, so the bodies all had similar wounds as far as the fractures and broken, broken bones. So we won't even consider the soft tissue stuff, just fractures and broken bones.

Uh, but they were all different enough for the investigators to conclude at the [00:33:00] time. That this was more likely not one singular event, but several different events that caused these injuries, right? So, and I, and to me, my interpretation of that is like a singular event being like an avalanche coming down, right?

They would all have similar directional fractures and similar type things, but these, these injuries were different enough for them to conclude at the time of the investigation that that was not the case. That, uh, this was several different events that happened. Oh my gosh. I just, it's un, it's, yeah. So ultimately the official cause of death was hypothermia and unknown compelling force.

So I'm curious now, I'm curious, uh, for you guys out there, just based off that, what we talked about so far, what do you think happened? Like just leave your [00:34:00] answers in the comments and we'll probably feature them next week. I'm just curious. I've got more in here We'll go into more detail, but there's no answer.

We want to know I'm super curious Just based off of that, if you hadn't heard it before, what you actually think happened to them, because I have no conclusion and I go back and forth. Like I said, I'm not new to this story at all. And I go back and forth, but I'm going to be thinking about this for months, 2 a.

m. What am I doing? I'm thinking about the Russians. Yep. Somebody has to have an answer. Okay. So now we're going to talk about some of the, uh. Kind of get into more of the mystery part of it, that that wasn't mysterious enough. There's more. Brain is like exploded. Okay. And now the, I do want to preface this with saying too, that the reason that we know this stuff, like I said before, they released all this information, but the, uh, officials for the search and rescue.

So the leaders were sending, uh, what are called [00:35:00] radiograms. So they're like, uh, notes, basically. Yep. Uh, back and forth to headquarters, updating. This is what we're finding, this is what's going on. Then they would receive radiograms back, uh, from whoever was in charge of this, saying, this is what we want you to do, this is what we want you to look into.

Yep. So that's how they communicate. So all these things are kept and on file. Yep. Okay. Okay. So one of the bodies was discovered with a notepad in one hand and a pencil in the other. But they said that there was nothing in the notepad. Nothing written down. Uh, and then that notepad just disappeared. It was gone.

Oh. No one could find it. But there is mention of it in the notes. Oh, oh, okay. The bodies were reported to have small, I'm sorry, what? I don't know. So the bodies were reported to have small amounts of radioactivity. Uh, and there was actually a radiogram that was sent. that the helicopter pilots refused to take the bodies unless they were [00:36:00] in special caskets.

And the commanding officer actually had to pull a gun on the pilots and force them to take the bodies. Now, I do want to clarify, uh, that I was a little confused reading through the radiograms because I wasn't sure if the flight crew was upset because they thought the bodies were radioactive or because they were upset that there might be a virus or an infection.

Oh my gosh. But either way, they did not want to take the bodies. Did not 100 percent did not want to bodies and and to be fair to the medical examiners. They were very much like guys Regardless of what's happening. These bodies need to leave Yeah, then we need to get them back so I can examine them and they've been prepped there in their body bags there They're wrapped.

They're not just They're not tossing these people in the back. I mean, they're, they were prepared. And following protocol. Yes. Yep.

So there shouldn't have been any reason for them to work. So that's kind of the, a little bit of the, and [00:37:00] it's not the end of the mystery, but just a little bit of that. But now the, the real questions that people have most of the time are like getting into the whole scenario of this. So number one, I think is.

Why would they leave their tent in the middle of the night, not properly dressed? And I did write down it. So the estimate was, it was probably around 30 degrees below zero, uh, with around 40, 40 mile an hour winds. So that feels like it would be about negative 40. So what? That's actually not like, I would assume that it would have been colder than that.

Honestly, that it would be North Dakota. It would have been similar, similar, but different. I mean, we know what. You don't wanna walk outside, but it's in February here. Right. But a a 40, A 40 below windchill, that's cold. Yeah. That is very cold. That's cold. And it can, I don't know, I just feel like it would've been colder.

Yeah. Thinking like a hundred below in there. I mean, yeah. I don't, I, but what would've compelled you to do that? Like what [00:38:00] now? And I'm sitting here thinking to myself, if I'm with a group of friends. And we're in a tent and some shady shit's going on outside. I'm not getting out of the tent. No, no, I would never run.

You would never run in the snow on, I mean, put yourself there. Like it's pitch black. There is no light. It's like, what if it was a no light? You ain't got no fricking street lights to light stuff up pitch black. You didn't have your, there was no fire, right? They didn't have a fire. And all of their stuff, like if they didn't have weapons on them, but, or maybe they did, maybe they had knives and like normal, normal hiking, you have to have survival gear, right?

Their survival gear, all their survival gear was in there. Like, I'm not leaving that in my underwear or swim trunks. Even if I have one, even if I have two, why do you have swim? Why do you have swim trunks? I don't know. The other crazy thing. Is that Well, cause there's No Oh no It's [00:39:00] Trust me. Um, and I'm trying to keep this episode at a reasonable level, so like, there is a ton of information on this.

Ugh. But they also left a cachet. Um, so it's like a, you know, uh, they, it's a, I know what it is on my computer. I know I have to clear it all the time. It's storage. Like storage. Yeah. So they, uh, they had a place, they were going up the mountain. They had too much gear on them. It would have been heavier and heavier as they climbed in elevation.

So they took off any excess things, any excess clothing, any excess food, gear, that type of stuff. And they put it in this cache in the woods, in the cedars. Oh. Why didn't they go to it?

Now, I can about imagine, because they were fucking cold, So And they probably didn't think about it, but that's one of the questions, right? Like Again, but, but again, my mind goes to like, these people have experience in elevation, elevation gets, it makes you feel [00:40:00] goofy. Like, yeah, were they doing drugs? Like, was there, okay.

Like, Nope. I mean, that wouldn't make any sense why they would be either professional hikers that enjoy. Doing this stuff, right? Yeah. Nope. Drug free. They actually didn't even have any alcohol with them. Wow. They had, um, yeah for 20 somethings, right? Um, but you know, but you're warm like yeah, they did have medicinal alcohol, but it was not touched

Yep, so they had that so then and then another thing so on February 17th Okay, there was another group of hikers in the nearby area that reported seeing fire orbs in the sky. Oh What what is a fire orb? That's a great question Well, I mean, I've seen, I've heard stories from my grandpa when he was on the lake one time that a [00:41:00] big ball of fire.

Well, I mean, it could have been, what if it was a meteor? Like a meteor would look like fire orbs. Right, right, right. But the thing is, is that you don't know what it was. It was just fire orbs. And, um, One of them, I can't remember, I can't remember his name. One of the hikers, uh, had a camera. Oh, they all had cameras, but one had a camera and one of the last exposures on his camera was a blurry dark picture where in the middle is obviously a lens flare, but off to the side is a weird like light Fuzzy blurry light thing.

Um, I will, uh, I'll put a picture of it up on the screen so people can see it. But yeah, it was, it's crazy. Like, you know, and you could think to yourself, it was just an accidental photo. Could have been an accidental photo, but then you hear about these fire orbs and you're thinking, well, geez, like, you know, where they, I don't know.

Um, okay. So then, and then the [00:42:00] whole search and rescue as well as the investigation was just rushed as rush rush as it could be. You know, over that period. Uh, and it was almost started to feel like kind of towards the end. It was starting to feel like they just wanted it to go away. Oh, I'm sure. That's a lot of casualties to have to explain to a lot of people.

Shortly after the second group of bodies was found, the lead investigator was told to shut it down, close the case, and do not pursue any further investigation. No. Uh, so the whole thing was swept under the rug. Oh my gosh, that's so sad. Um, those people's families, like what? Right. Until, yeah, it was sealed away until they had to release it.

And I, I do want to say that, um, I just want to throw this out there, devil's advocate, right? Yep. Um, the Russian government had ample opportunity to destroy these files. They did not have [00:43:00] to make them public. Yeah. They chose to make them public. They could have gotten rid of them. They could have done, you know.

Yeah. So there you take it with a grain of salt. Yep. Um, we didn't have to have access to these documents, but they did give us access to, or give people access to them. So take that into consideration. So with all that in mind, I would love to be able to tell you guys. And so what actually happened was, but we don't know what actually happened.

And we, and chances are, we'll never know what actually happened. There are a bunch of theories. Okay. And I'll go through a couple of them. Um, the ones I thought these are mainly, well, you know, I wrote this so I can do what I want. Um, these are the ones that I've kind of went through and over the years have been like, Oh, I bet it was that.

Or, oh, it could have been that, or, you know, uh, and then you just kind of like, well, but it doesn't explain this. I am dying to, yes, I have literally no, what, none, none idea. So the [00:44:00] first one, and I think the first one that everybody kind of falls to right away is the Russian government. That, uh. What, why?

Well, did, did these hikers see something they weren't supposed to? Now remember, this was 1959. Um, there's a lot of secrecy in the Soviet Union at that time. Um, well a lot of secrecy everywhere at that time. I'm just going to leave it on Russia. It was everywhere. A lot of secrecy. Yep. Um, so, you know, there was, what, did they see some kind of military experiment they weren't supposed to?

Did they see something? Um, and again, I do want to point out, well, it was remote, you know, I know when the U. S. tested like all their nuclear stuff, it was all remote locations. Well, right. Right. Right. The other one that the, that the searchers thought of right away. So the two that the, that the searchers all thought of right away, and the first one was escaped prisoners, because like they said, they thought originally people had cut into the tent and abducted, abducted them, but there was no.

They couldn't prove that [00:45:00] they're going up against nine and nothing was taken people and okay, in shape people, mind you, I like, I didn't even think of how good of shape these people would be into to fend off. And there was only the sets of footprints for the hikers, right? You think if there was a struggle, there would be all kinds of footprints.

Yeah. Every direction fleeing, running. The other one is the Mansi. So the Mansi were the local, uh, native tribe in the area. And of course they get blamed right away. Of course. Oh, well, the Mansi did. But I mean, the more and more they looked into stuff and they, and the Mansi helped in the search for them.

You know, they were very familiar with the area, so they were, they were helping with it and they saw them. They interacted with the hikers along the way. So they were able to say, you know, we ran into them here. We went into them there and they seemed fine. We didn't see anything wrong with them. So they did come to the conclusion that it couldn't have been them.

Plus. If, for some reason, the Mansi decided that they wanted to murder nine [00:46:00] people, it would not have gone this way. It would have been significantly different. I am just blown out of the water. Okay, so... How? How? So one of the other theories is the Bigfoot or the Russian Yeti. So what other explanation would we have?

We've got a couple more. But like, so, so like a Bigfoot or a Russian Yeti. Now this is a little out there. A floating, a floating Yeti? Because there would have been footprints of a Yeti, right? Or a Bigfoot. Well, that leads us into UFOs. Was it aliens? Oh man. Remember there we saw lights in the sky. I watched a really great alien movie this weekend.

It freaked me out. No one, no one will save you on Hulu. Highly recommend if you like creepy alien movies. I do. Yep. Do it. I do like creepy alien movies. That's a good one. Oh yeah. So there was, but that would, I mean, [00:47:00] out of the sky, no other footprints. I'm a believer. I'm a total believer, I think. Okay, well, yep.

This is a little unbiased of me. Totally. There's aliens a hundred percent. There's aliens. There has to be. But so that was one of the, that and the Bigfoot of the Russian, because the man sees did believe, and they did say, they warned over and over again, don't go up there. And, but you know, like superstitions, like people warned everybody not to go down to Sheika Hollow all the time and people go down there all the time.

So like, you know, could have just been their superstitions. You know, they did claim that there was some kind of a, you know, hairy bipedal, uh, they didn't call it a yeti or, you know what I mean, but there was some hairy bipedal. Animal, man, thing. Uh huh. So that was their belief for that. Okay. So now we're going to get into more of the, um, He just swept his footprints behind him as he, he or she, we always, I always assume Bigfoot's a man, but, I know, I do too.

But like, Bigfoot should be a woman. Um, yeah. Cause you imagine that it's a [00:48:00] Midwestern Bigfoot. Oh, oh, I left my footprints. Oops. Let me just get past you there. You just fold your clothes back up now. Sorry about that. Put the tent back in order. Oh, jeez. Such a mom. Oh, jeez. a big foot mom. Savage, but wants to clean and make it nice.

One of the main theories now is, and I'm going to say now, because this was. Uh, almost immediately dismissed at the beginning, uh, is an avalanche. And it's pretty, it's pretty interesting because very recently there were some scientists, um, actually think they're avalanche. I don't know if you'd be an avalanche scientist, but anyway, they're well versed in avalanches.

There was some scientists that, they actually utilized a software program from Disney that they used during the movie Frozen and how they created their blizzards and their snow and that they were just blown away by the accuracy of this program that they're like, Hey, can we have [00:49:00] that? Cause there's this thing, there's this super, you know, this, this thing, we're super weird case that we kind of want to.

See if we can figure out so can we use this so they use this program and they recreated what they believe happened Which was an avalanche and it was a special kind of avalanche, too And I don't remember what it was But it was because the reason that it was dismissed right away is because the slope of the mountain wasn't enough For there to be an avalanche and it they're not common in the area.

There was no evidence of an avalanche, right? Yeah, you um, the tent was there. I mean the body was to be they'd be buried everything would be well, right And if there was an avalanche that was able to carry the bodies a mile away That would have been a huge avalanche. Somebody would have noticed right and that tent would not still be there with the clothes Neatly folded inside.

And that's what one of the investigators pointed out right away. Cause like I said, at first they were like, Oh God, it probably wasn't avalanche, but they're like, well, wait a minute. [00:50:00] All of it would have been right. And the clothes were all in there and the tent itself was actually designed. It was one of those like tents that went in between trees.

Like you have to tie them up on trees. Oh. Um, but when they pitched their tent here, they put them up on ski poles. Or on skis, not ski poles, sorry, they put them up on skis. So it's not like the tent was so secured to the ground that an avalanche couldn't sweep it away. Right. But, so that was one theory. Um, the, another theory is this one also, I mean, and like I said, at this point, like, I think people are stretching, like we just want something, some answers.

Yeah. Uh, another theory is that it was a botched mining expedition close by. So at the time, uh, in Soviet Russia, if. You did something that made the government look bad. Oh. Uh, it, it could be met with some that still rings true to harsh punishments. Uhhuh . [00:51:00] So the theory is, is that they were actually mining for uranium Oh.

In the area. Oh. And hence the possibility Uhhuh . Okay. And so that, uh, something happened. Yep. When this mining vision that, that caused the death of these hikers. Right? And the, the crew of the, the mining crew was like, oh shit, like, we can't, we can't get caught with this. So the thought is, is that they staged it.

To make it look so weird, and so strange, and so bizarre, that people would totally not even think at all that this was them, this was some crazy thing that happened, they're so focused on this weirdness of it that they just wouldn't even consider. That takes a lot of thought, especially in the moment.

Like, if you are panicked. Because you just killed like nine people on accident. Yeah. [00:52:00] Oh my gosh. I mean, it's pretty elaborate. I mean, you heard me read through some of that stuff. That's, but that is a, um. I mean, that, uh, yeah,

because you said that there was, the bodies had, um, small amounts of radiation. Yeah. Okay. Radioactivity, small amounts of radioactivity. Um, that wasn't natural. How would they even know that the body had, how would they know? They did autopsies on them all. Right. But they did the autopsies up on the, you know, cause the, you said the.

The pilots didn't want to take the bodies. Um, was that, I'm getting my timelines mixed up. No, no, no, no. You're right. You're right. But they, they did do some examination, like they do some stuff at the scene. And they found that there was radioactivity on the bodies. And then when they went back and did the, the examination, like the [00:53:00] autopsies, that's when they found out that there, they were, there were traces of radioactivity, but they were not like levels that would have been like, uh, I don't want to say normal.

Are there normal amounts of radioactivity? Um, yeah, there, I think that there, I think that there is. They were above normal. Okay. But they weren't like crazy amounts. It's just so crazy. So it was enough to note. How about that? Yeah. It was, it was odd enough to note, but not odd enough to say, you know, Whoa, whoopsie doodle.

You know what I mean? Like, yeah, yeah. Okay. So the last one, and I think this is probably the most plausible, but again, I still have questions. It still leaves me with questions. I'm not an expert by any means. Like I, I talk about scary stuff on a podcast, but to me, the one that makes the most sense is infrasound.

And I'll tell you why. So when I first heard like the infrasound theory, I was like, [00:54:00] that's so strange. Like size, like, okay, sorry. Keep going, keep going. Cause I'm so many questions. So, uh, the U S government, uh, openly uses infrasound. Or is testing using infrasound as a, as a defense or as a weapon, right? So if you use this like low hum or this low frequency, it disorients people.

And there's even cases of this, like in Taos, New Mexico, there's like the Taos hum. Like there's a group of people that can hear constantly this hum of infrasound and it drives you mad over a long period of time. It's, it's insane. So like I heard this thing and I'm like, that is why, why would, why would.

The Russian government take the time out of their day to like point some infrasound at some random hikers and just see what happens. I, I don't think that makes sense. However, I was reading a book, um, and I will [00:55:00] put the link of it, link to it in the description, Uhhuh, but it's called Dead Mountain and it's by, um, where's name right now.

And you know what, it's in my iPad, . That's not working. It's not working. But anyway, it's called Dead Mountain. It's a really good, um, it's a really good book and it's very well done. He's a journalist, investigative journalist, and he just kind of went through and just did the timeline and, and went through and, and he actually went to the site.

I'd want to see, I'd have to see, I'd have to under, like to wrap your head around it and yeah, just, yeah, just to see this all. So should we go? No. I

don't like being cold. We're going to Russia. Like, I don't even, like, that's a lot of work. It is a lot of work just to do the podcast. Oh my God. And can you, I would bitch the whole, like I'm cold. My toes are cold. I don't like being cold. Um, so many layers of clothes, right? So much. So much coffee. I'm sweaty.

Now I'm sweaty and I don't like it. Yeah. So, yeah. [00:56:00] Uh, so kudos to this guy for doing it. Yeah. Cause it was a huge endeavor. Um. And we're back. Um. Fun fact. That was a full battery. I had 10 hours. Of a full. I had 10 hours of, uh, time on that. Or actually I think it was nine and a half hours. And we've been going.

For about an hour. Mm hmm. So, uh, yeah, the camera, so the camera just shut off and it was creepy too. Like we're sitting here talking and then it just, all of a sudden just it just felt like somebody pushed the button and yeah. Okay. And then as I'm going over there to like change the, cause I, you know, I'm, I got you ghosts.

Don't, don't take this offense. Don't shut my stuff off again, but I figured there might be something. So I brought extra batteries, obviously. Yeah. Um, so as I'm going over there to change the battery, rumble goes. Uh, yeah, I just felt like somebody was over there. Mm hmm. So, um, maybe we might do a little investigation.

I'm telling you, I forget the guy's name that owned this place before, [00:57:00] but, um, just know if you're here watching us, don't you fret. We're going to finish this up and then, uh, we'll talk to you. We'll see what happens, if we can get anything. Okay. So we were talking about infrasound and, um, uh, do, do, do, do.

Okay. So this guy, uh, the author of this book. So he, he goes to, he's from the United States, he comes back to the United States and he says, um, I need the, I know that there's experts in infrasound, but like natural infrasound, so stuff that's just naturally made, like the Haman Taos, Taos, New Mexico, I don't know if that part got cut out or not, but like the Haman Taos, New Mexico, um, there's these natural sounds that people can hear.

Some people can hear, some people can't, and then depending on the frequency of it, it can drive you crazy. So yeah, he taught he finds these experts and he says he sends them pictures of the site of the the mountain There's this rock called boot rock that was down. There's like a marker and he says here's [00:58:00] all these pictures from what you can see Is this area a good candidate for like a natural infrasound type thing?

Cause remember it was windy that night too, very windy. So they look at it, they look at the pictures he sends and they're like, not really, you know, like, I mean. Could, but it wouldn't be like, it wouldn't be anything that, that would, that would cause people to do this. Yeah. So then he's like cut themselves out of their tent.

So then he's like, damn it. And but so then at the end, before he goes to bed, he sends them a whole more pictures and says, just take a look at these. I appreciate your time. Thank you very much. Wakes up in the morning to an email from them that says, Whoa, wait a minute. He didn't send us this picture. So one of the pictures that he sends the second time around is of the top of the mountain, the dome.

And they said, well, [00:59:00] that, okay, the way that this, and they're science y math things, um, the way that this is sloped and angled. Uh huh. Yeah. It could. Wow. As the wind comes over and down this slope and hits things like boot rock or the cedars or just the way it's coming down could create, um, these like, uh, wind vortexes.

Sure. Very similar to tornadoes. Yeah. And then the faster that they go, the more of this infrasound that they produce. Wow. And so he had asked, you know, like, what would that do? Thank you. to somebody. Disorient them for sure. You would be disoriented. They said that it would be, uh, like the worst migraine you've ever had in your life.

Yeah. And you'd be panicked, right? You'd, you'd feel panic. Your heart would race. Your chest would be tight. Oh my gosh. And, and they, they said, they said too, that if somebody were experiencing this [01:00:00] type of infrasound, The only thing they would want to do is to get away from it. Yep. Like you wouldn't be thinking of anything else.

Yep. They also said, I, now this part is what I thought was super interesting. Because remember, like, they had interviewed, or they talked to the Mansi, and the Mansi called this Dead Mountain. Yep. And, you know, one of their superstitions was because there was all these weird noises and all these weird things that happened on the mountain.

Yep. Well, they said that as this comes down, it's going to create these noises. And it's going to be noises you've never heard before. Oh! Because, because this phenomena is so rare, that you've never heard these noises before. And they're like, if you were in the tent, like, they were trying to describe what possibly...

These hikers may have heard if this was what happened, they said, you know, they might've gotten ready for, you know, done for the day, put all their stuff away and they're kind of sitting there talking. And then all of a sudden, just gradually it's getting louder and louder and louder. And it would sound like, it would sound like freight [01:01:00] train.

That's what I was going to say. Coming at you from every direction. And then as the wind increases, it's going to start sounding like these howls and just these Totally horrific sounds that you've never heard before. And that's when you're going to start feeling the panic. Oh, for sure. 100%. So they run on alert.

Yep. So then they were like. Again, this is all possibility at that point, because they would have been dressed for bed and can you, I can, I can, I can just feel it like you can put yourself there and look, what would you do because the original thought process was, you know, if maybe a couple of them went mad, right?

We'll just say that they, that they got some weird thing and a couple of them went mad and they, they ripped out of the tent and they ran, but it wouldn't, why would all nine of them do it? So this would have been something that [01:02:00] affected all nine of them. And then the thought process was, as they ran, because now they're hyped up on adrenaline, they're, they're, because they're a mile away.

Survival mode. Yeah. They are a mile away. Yep. They said at some point, as they got closer to the Cedars, these effects would have started to wear off and then they would have become aware of what was happening to them. Their whole new fear. Um, Oh shit, we're away from our stuff and it's dark and it's pitch dandy and they're already hypothermic because it doesn't wear it off.

It doesn't start. So they're already there now they're panicked again, they can't find their way back to the tent. No, they don't know what to do, which would be why they didn't go to their cachet. They couldn't see if they were panicked. And now they were separated. Ugh. So, the, the, the theory with this is that that would have been why [01:03:00] those bodies were treated so caringly, that first group.

Uh huh. Um, and why maybe some of their clothes were missing. Or some of their parts of clothes were missing. Cause people were, the. Um, ones who were trying to survive, which would have been totally normal to do would be like, I, okay, I'm sorry, this sucks that you're dead, but I need your shoes. But two socks on one, like I said, without the other, I still, I still don't know.

I don't think it explains everything because it doesn't explain the injuries

because then they, well, what if they got disoriented and fell down a ravine? But again, it just doesn't, it doesn't make sense. And now I'm going to full disclosure, like, I want this to be something paranormal. Yeah. So like in my other explanation, do we have, and that could be why to me, none of these things make sense because I want it to be paranormal, but at the same time, I think about like, it just doesn't explain the injuries.[01:04:00]

So, uh, I'm not saying it couldn't happen and I'm not saying it wasn't, and actually to be honest, nine people, it's nine people, to be honest, out of everything I have ever heard or read on this, it makes the most sense of how you would get these nine people in their underwear to cut themselves out of their only safety, who are smart people, you know?

Yep. Who are very smart people in shape, they are skilled at this. They are going for a certification in, in doing these things. Yep. So, uh, to me it, again, it makes the most sense. I don't think it really covers everything because again, I don't know

uh, so I tried to teach, I tried to write a conclusion for this, and I thought, yeah. And I thought, you know what? No, let's like, no, I'm not. I'm gonna leave you guys all in the same position [01:05:00] that I am in and everybody else is in with this. Is... What the fuck? Bwaaah! What?! I shouldn't say what the fuck. What the hell?

What the heck? What's going on? And you're never going to know. Ha ha. Um, you can be in torment with the rest of us. Well, again, 2 a. m. or it's going to be thinking about all that 2 a. m., 3 a. m., all. Thanks Megan. Thanks for, uh. I do what I can. Yeah. No, this is great. Okay. Um, I'm sorry. I just don't get it. No, I just don't understand.

Like two people, right. I can understand two people. Getting hurt, whatever, getting disoriented for whatever reason in, in two people, but nine.

And even if they were trying to help each other, right? Like one of the, one of the, uh, theories, like the avalanche theory, right. Was it, they got hit by an [01:06:00] avalanche and you know, some of their comp, obviously some of these people had terrible injuries, but I mean, I'm thinking it's middle of the night, it's February.

Everybody just got hit by an avalanche. How do you drag your friends a mile away? And there were no drag marks, by the way. But like, how do you carry your friend? A mile away. I mean, I'm sure it can be done. I know that, like, adrenaline's a thing. I've seen, you know, moms have ripped cars off their kids before.

Like, I've, you know, those things happen. But adrenaline's only gonna get you so far. Yeah. And it's quick burst. It's not as sustained. And your body's going to prioritize your well being over your friend's well being. So. This is so crazy, messed up. It's got my mind all goofy, messed up. It's affecting, away from it even.

Okay. So let us know what you think. Put it down in the comments. What do you guys think happened? [01:07:00] We'll feature some comments. Uh, in next week's episode just because I'm so curious to think, to hear what everybody else thinks about this. You too. All right, so thank you guys so much for joining us. Go ahead and give it a like and share, um, share with anybody else you think would enjoy this as well.

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